tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-549949223388475481.post8530213463729638681..comments2024-03-28T14:02:08.119-05:00Comments on Dr. Smith's ECG Blog: Inferior hyperacute T-waves. The clue is T-wave inversion in aVL. Serial ECGs evolve to ST Elevation.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-549949223388475481.post-61330461687116386332014-02-17T18:11:04.041-06:002014-02-17T18:11:04.041-06:00Yes, these are suspicious T-waves, especially with...Yes, these are suspicious T-waves, especially with the T wave inversion in aVL. If I understand your message correctly (there was no change over 8 hourss), then I already know the answer and it is difficult for me to say whether I would have called them truly positiive for MI or not (I think not, but maybe I'm just too biased now). In any case, they are very suspicious and warrant immediate testing such as looking for an old ECG, recording serial ECGs, and getting an emergency high quality echo to look for wall motion. Interesting!<br />Steve SmithSteve Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08027289511840815536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-549949223388475481.post-66818695554101357032014-02-17T13:26:35.046-06:002014-02-17T13:26:35.046-06:00Hi, Dr.Smith, thanks for your work!
I recently had...Hi, Dr.Smith, thanks for your work!<br />I recently had a similar case (almost the same with your first ECG), but the other end.<br /><br />In the evening, I was approached by a patient male 76 y.o. with signs of small ischemic stroke. In the morning before he had a severe chest pain. Took nitroglycerin and pain gone in 15 minutes. On admission was charged ECG (quote below).<br /><br />Atrial fibrillation, some notched QRS in II, III, aVF, mild ST depression in I, aVL, V6 ( > 0.25 mm) with T-wave inversion. Also like hyperacute T waves in IIII, aVF.<br />Changes in the anterior leads V1 -V5 I regarded as an old myocardial infarction. Also visible there are a bit enlarged U waves.<br /><br />In labs: AST 17, ALT 16, CK 122, CK-MB 40, troponin negative. K+ is normal.<br />In labs of 8 hours without significant dynamics - only CK-MB became 23.<br />And after 8 hours ECG also stay without changes.<br /><br />So, changes in the inferior leads were not "acute"? <br />ST depression in aVL with "hyperacute" inferior T-waves may be not acute?<br /><br />https://plus.google.com/photos/110517571402825386948/albums/5981449338958192913<br /><br />Thanks!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03526425092641285707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-549949223388475481.post-5253658082237768162011-02-09T16:29:00.559-06:002011-02-09T16:29:00.559-06:00The only explanation I have is varying amounts of ...The only explanation I have is varying amounts of ischemia to the conducting system, depending on the state of perfusion, which, as we can see, is dynamic.Steve Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08027289511840815536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-549949223388475481.post-12271692882567308642011-02-09T13:31:49.726-06:002011-02-09T13:31:49.726-06:00Dr. Smith, or anyone else:
Would you mind taking ...Dr. Smith, or anyone else:<br /><br />Would you mind taking a second to focus on the QRS morphology in lead III, especially how it changes over time? I see the notching in other leads, just curious what would explain that morphology and why it would change.<br /><br />I recognize this patient has bigger problems, but I'd still like to know what you think is going on there.<br /><br />Thanks for the posts, as always they are very helpful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-549949223388475481.post-62610758381766493332011-02-09T12:57:51.529-06:002011-02-09T12:57:51.529-06:00I'm not entirely sure! In any case, need to g...I'm not entirely sure! In any case, need to get to the cath lab. And it would be prudent to apply external pacer pads.Steve Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08027289511840815536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-549949223388475481.post-54587113316738136372011-02-09T12:43:20.791-06:002011-02-09T12:43:20.791-06:00I too thought it was 3rd degree, the PP is fixed a...I too thought it was 3rd degree, the PP is fixed at 685. But the RRs are not regular upon closer inspection. 940, 1150 (PRi 370), 1360 (PRi 360), 860, 1200 (PRi 370), 910, 1150 (PRi 350), and 920.<br /><br />Bigeminal PJCs? Or is it alternating a PRi of 360 with one of 520?Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11415988855392944633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-549949223388475481.post-43470727228876554532011-02-09T08:10:29.484-06:002011-02-09T08:10:29.484-06:00I can't call it complete or even 2nd degree un...I can't call it complete or even 2nd degree unless there is a non-conducted p-wave somewhere. The only non-conducted p-waves are in the middle of a QRS-T when the ventricle is refractory. Now, it could be that if I had a longer rhythm strip, I might find such non-conducted p-waves, but all the p-waves here that come before the QRS have the same PR interval, 380 ms. To call it a non-conducted p-wave, the PR interval would have to be longer than 380 ms!Steve Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08027289511840815536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-549949223388475481.post-384702428073413432011-02-09T07:59:22.011-06:002011-02-09T07:59:22.011-06:00Yes!! Good point. Most ECGs, including this one,...Yes!! Good point. Most ECGs, including this one, have ST elevation in V2 and V3, so any ST depression is even greater than what you see. What is important is indeed relative ST depression, relative to the baseline ST segment.Steve Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08027289511840815536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-549949223388475481.post-67227095410871337402011-02-08T22:58:54.328-06:002011-02-08T22:58:54.328-06:00for the 3rd ekg, when do you make that leap and ca...for the 3rd ekg, when do you make that leap and call it complete heart block?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-549949223388475481.post-74647633239214326412011-02-08T19:14:33.672-06:002011-02-08T19:14:33.672-06:00Thank you again for the great case Dr. Smith...
my...Thank you again for the great case Dr. Smith...<br />my question is this: because there appears to be slight ST elevation in leads V2 and V3 in the first 12 Lead, can we infer that amount of ST depression in those leads in the third 12 Lead is really more than the measured 1-2mm? That on a basis relative to the first ECG, the amount of ST depression is really at least 2-3mm? is it helpful to think in these terms?<br /><br />thanks,<br />DavidDavid Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-549949223388475481.post-74566588402653301922011-02-08T16:21:54.652-06:002011-02-08T16:21:54.652-06:00Great case. Heard about the TWI in L preceding inf...Great case. Heard about the TWI in L preceding inferior STE at one of Amal Mattu's talks at ACEP 2010.Grahamhttp://www.thecentralline.orgnoreply@blogger.com